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The Kallista 80" Wide Sideboard has a dark sapphire blue finish that enlivens the sycamore veneers cladding its doors. These are set into a caviar black credenza sitting atop a metal base in an antique brass finish, which matches the tone of tailored door pulls. The way the wood veneers are applied brings depth, texture, and movement to this navy-blue credenza that is dressy enough for the most sophisticated home office and the most refined business settings.

False Advertising, looks NOTHING like the pictures on site. Anonymous. Tue Apr 02 2024

Matte White

This 19.7-inch bathroom undermount ramp sink from Badeloft features a slope-to-drain design. The ramp basin slopes gently toward the drain, so water flows out completely without pooling. Stone resin is non-porous, meaning it won't stain or absorb moisture over time. Includes mounting hardware for undermount installation. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

Very modern looking. I’m glad I opted for a deferent look. I haven’t had it install yet but so far so good. Anonymous. West Palm Beach, FL. Tue Mar 10 2026

Matte White

This 25.2-inch rectangular undermount ramp sink from Badeloft features a slope-to-drain design. The ramp basin slopes gently toward the drain, so water flows out completely without pooling. Stone resin is non-porous, meaning it won't stain or absorb moisture over time. Includes mounting hardware for undermount installation. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

Nice and sleek design, it is a brighter white than I hoped but I’m still keeping it. I know the ramp design has mixed reviews so I’ll report back after some use.. Mj. Thu Mar 19 2026

Glossy Gray

This 19.7-inch bathroom undermount ramp sink from Badeloft features a slope-to-drain design. The ramp basin slopes gently toward the drain, so water flows out completely without pooling. Stone resin is non-porous, meaning it won't stain or absorb moisture over time. Includes mounting hardware for undermount installation. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

Excellent sink, works perfect for my bathroom.. Victor. Phoenix, AZ. Mon Oct 06 2025

Polished Chrome, 1.2 GPM

The KOHLER® Parallel widespread bathroom sink faucet is the epitome of understated chic. By combining circular shapes within the square design, the faucet’s balanced versatility allows it to blend in or stand out depending on your surrounding décor. Elevate your experience with KOHLER.

Beautiful. Love the way the water sprays.. Susan. Chicago, IL. Wed Apr 29 2026

Widespread Faucet, Polished Chrome

Featuring a classic English-inspired design, this piece seamlessly blends timeless elegance with modern functionality. The refined semi-circular basin, paired with solid brass leg supports, creates a striking focal point in any bathroom. With a rear center drain placement and customizable faucet drilling options, including single-hole and widespread configurations, it offers flexibility to suit various faucet styles and preferences. Available in a range of luxurious finishes, it allows homeowners to tailor their bathroom aesthetic to complement both traditional and contemporary themes.

This sink is well made, a very nice size for it’s small footprint and very suitable in both a traditional or modern bath. I can’t get over how extremely well it was packaged! It will go very well in our cottage house decor. Edit Installed easily and looks great in our old cottage bath.. Wendy. Warrenton, VA. Fri May 22 2026

Single, White/Polished Brass

Featuring an English-style console adorned with brass leg supports, the focal point of these designs lies in the integration of a sleek rectangular bowl seamlessly into the console. The inclusion of a backsplash, dual soap ledges, and decorative trim not only elevates the visual appeal but also enhances functionality by providing additional organization space. With customizable faucet hole drill options, offering both single-hole and widespread configurations, these consoles cater to individual preferences, allowing for personalized touches in every aspect of bathroom design. The interchangeable side towel bar, adaptable to both left and right orientations, ensures versatility in placement, catering to diverse spatial configurations and user preferences.

Stunning in our new powder bath!. Anonymous. Thu Apr 30 2026

Offering flexibility with single or widespread faucet drilling, this sink is designed for both style and convenience. The traditional pedestal base supports an integrated rectangular bowl, while the rear center drain and chrome overflow ensure optimal functionality. With a built-in backsplash, dual soap ledges, and decorative trim, this sink effortlessly combines classic design elements with modern practicality, making it a stunning centerpiece for any traditional or contemporary bathroom space.

Love it and the soap holders are chef’s kiss 22 depth was perfect balance of providing enough space but still working in my 5 x 8 bathroom. Joy. Wilton, CT. Fri May 01 2026

This 47" Sink Undermount Kit is a simple and secure method for under-mounting any sink with or without a rim into a kitchen cabinet or bath vanity. It is highly recommended for NativeStone® rimless sinks due to its easy leveling with multiple adjustment points. This kit, adjustable from 25” to 47” in length, works well in cabinets 27”-48” wide. It is best for most kitchen and bathroom cabinet installations.

i have to admit i had no idea what to expect. Truly i just thought these would be some cheap light weight metal brackets. they were delivered very quickly. I went to pick up the box off the patio... again, thinking these were probably some cheap light weight metal brackets, but the box was heavy! quite heavy. I brought them in and pulled them out of the box and was very surprised and pleased at the weight and quality of these brackets. We had spent a lot of money on a large under mount hand hammered copper metal sink and i was concerned about the weight of the sink being carried by just the cabinet. i found these online and took a shot at them. very stout piece of metal and nice construction. I am 100% convinced that the sink is never going to move with these underneath it. Highly recommend this product should you ever find yourself in the need for support!. Dale. New Mexico. Thu Apr 21 2022

The Kaldera undermount sink’s simplicity is in its shape: a classic rectangle in a minimalist form. Designed to complement the Kaldera built-in bath, the Kaldera undermount sink is also beautiful on its own. Its clean look adds to its versatility, as it can bridge traditional to modern styles of décor with aplomb. Hand-polished to a lavish finish, and made with durable, beautiful Volcanic Limestone™, the Kaldera’s streamlined symmetry brings timeless elegance to any bathroom.

Rose Gold

The Badeloft ES-UB-04-L-BRG is a 23.6-inch stainless steel undermount bathroom sink. Built from commercial-grade stainless steel, it brings an industrial-modern look that pairs well with concrete, wood, and stone countertops. Stainless steel is naturally hygienic, corrosion-resistant, and simple to maintain. Includes mounting hardware and a pop-up drain. Available in brushed stainless, brushed gold, and brushed rose gold finishes. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

The sink looks beautiful. Waiting to be installed. The only flaw I noticed was around the drain hole. The metal seems showing darker and is not gold like the rest of the sink. It is not noticeable unless you look directly at it. Not sure how cleaning of this sink will be. the space for the drain is narrow. Can only access with a tooth brush to clean. We never used this type of sink before, so we'll see how the overall experience will be after we install it.. Eliza. Salt Spring Island, BC. Wed Feb 11 2026

This 26" Sink Undermount Kit is a simple and secure method for under-mounting rimmed sinks in standard cabinets. Adjustable from 14” to 26” in length, this kit is best for small less than 27” wide bathroom vanity installations for front-to-back installation.

I’m glad I got the bracket to support this face bowel this should last a lifetime!. Annette. Sat Jun 29 2024

Translucent White

Inspired by studio pottery, the KOHLER® Derring collection celebrates the inherent beauty and authenticity of handcrafted ceramics. Each oval undermount bathroom sink is a one-of-a-kind creation, finished with unique artisanal glazes that produce fascinating surface effects .A hand-carved texture accentuates the subtle tonal variations of the glazes. Featured in neutral hues, this sink can be the centerpiece of your bath, or it can serve as a unifying element that pulls everything else together.

OMG!! These sinks are beautiful. I put them in a Moroccan styled bathroom and they really look amazing in there. They do take a little extra care to clean all the little indentations, but so what. I get so many compliments on them.. Anonymous. Tue Mar 03 2026

Polished Nickel

For over two decades, Signature Hardware has provided beautifully crafted products that make a house your home. From the kitchen to the bathroom, every room in between your Signature style starts here. At Signature Hardware, we do things the right way. When you find a product that compliments your style, we'll make every step of the process as seamless and worry-free as possible.

Perfect fit for this basement bath with pipes at odd angles. Love the look! Easy to assemble and level.. Elizabeth. Titusville, NJ. Thu Feb 05 2026

Brushed Steel

The Badeloft ES-UB-04-M is a 19.7-inch stainless steel undermount bathroom sink. Built from commercial-grade stainless steel, it brings an industrial-modern look that pairs well with concrete, wood, and stone countertops. Stainless steel is naturally hygienic, corrosion-resistant, and simple to maintain. Includes mounting hardware and a pop-up drain. Available in brushed stainless, brushed gold, and brushed rose gold finishes. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

Beautiful can’t wait for the marble guys to install. Kevin. Iona, ID. Thu Apr 02 2026

8" Centers

Whitehaus Collection displays high levels of sophistication and serenity with the Isabella Collection. Crafted from the highest quality vitreous available, these basins are as durable as they are luxurious. The Isabella Collection is offered in a variety of shapes and sizes. The smooth, seamless design creates a modern, contemporary focal point, making it the perfect choice for any décor. Complement any decor with this Traditional Pedestal Sink complete with integrated rectangular bowl, decorative trim, choice of single hole or widespread faucet drilling and overflow.

It’s a beautiful sink. Just make sure you double check the fitting hole sizes - my faucet didn’t fit as snug as I would have liked, but I haven’t given up yet. Great customer service. Highly recommend!. Trisha. West Chester, PA. Mon Apr 27 2026

The Barcelona collection of sinks follows the organic oval silhouette of the Barcelona bath. Pebble-shaped perfection, the Barcelona marries symmetrical subtlety with stand-out style for a timeless look to match any décor. Whether partnered with the Barcelona bathtub, paired as his and hers sinks, or simply on its own, this vessel’s shape and simplicity are made for all spaces and designed for all times.

Love it- matches our Victoria and Albert tub! Fast shipping.. Kelly. San Diego, CA. Sat Feb 21 2026

Brushed Nickel

From the acclaimed Maestro Collection, this sumptuous copper drop-in sink bears proof to the talents of its artisans. Its undulating shape inimitably highlights the estimated 30,000 hammer strikes that made the hand-hammered copper basin; its wide, rolling edge ensures it as functional as it is beautiful. Maestro Lotus copper bathroom sink is artisan crafted; forged of high-quality recycled copper. Want to benefit from the power of copper? Studies prove that copper itself kills harmful bacteria!

Beautiful sink !!!. Ileana. US. Wed Mar 04 2026

Marina

Crafted in Italy of hand spun Murano Glass, the Lido vessel sink delivers both artistic style and easy maintenance. The smooth, nonporous surface of the sink prevents staining and its glass has been certified to resist cracking after exposure to both impact and temperature change. At 14.75 inches in diameter and using approximately half the energy required to create a porcelain sink, the Lido brings sustainable luxury to even the smallest bathroom spaces.

Absolutely beautiful and spot on description. Anonymous. Mon Dec 08 2025

Polished Nickel

For over two decades, Signature Hardware has provided beautifully crafted products that make a house your home. From the kitchen to the bathroom, every room in between your Signature style starts here. At Signature Hardware, we do things the right way. When you find a product that compliments your style, we'll make every step of the process as seamless and worry-free as possible. We stand by our quality, value customer service, and ensure your satisfaction. That's our promise to you.

Amazing quality. This console and sink set are a step above the rest. The sink feels and looks higher quality. Very consistent and the underside is very helpful with installation as it provides specific points where the 4 legs sit. The tubing is excellent quality and very easy to install. The leveling bolts could be slightly better looking. Perhaps another solution can be a customizable cover that you can trim to size to cover the leveling hex bolts. Thats is the one tiny oversight. Everything else is top notch. Highly recommended. The quality justifies the additional cost compared to similar products.. Nicole. Dallas, TX. Fri Aug 08 2025

Matte White

The Badeloft UB-04-XL is a 48.8-inch rectangular undermount ramp sink built from stone resin. The ramp basin slopes gently toward the drain, so water flows out completely without pooling. Stone resin is non-porous, meaning it won't stain or absorb moisture over time. Includes mounting hardware for undermount installation. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

Sink works perfect when you need a double but can’t account for required plumbing space.. Diana. Austin, TX. Sun Jan 04 2026

Translucent Sapphire

Made by American craftsmen using stunning pressed-glass construction, the KOHLER® Inia Wading Pool sink creates a soothing focal point in any bathroom or powder room. This rectangular drop-in bathroom sink's deep, generously sized basin helps minimize splashing, and the glass surface cleans up easily. The subtle hammered texture with painted underside in Sandalwood helps to conceal vanity items and fixtures from view.

These sinks are absolutely beautiful. I decided to use them as full vessel sinks instead of half and hide all its beauty. They are thick and durable and easy to clean. Love the ice look. Rhonda. Fresno, TX. Fri Jan 24 2020

Brushed Nickel

The DreamLine Prism Console Sink is constructed from high-quality porcelain, ensuring your sink will remain pristine and unblemished far into the future. The Prism features a number of luxury leg finishes to perfectly match your existing décor, ranging from Brushed Nickel to Matte Black to Polished Stainless Steel. A deep basin provides ample space for washing, while 8-inch faucet drillings invite you to to enhance this console sink with just the right faucet. Easy to clean with basic products, the Prism will stay looking shiny and new with a minimum of effort. With the DreamLine Prism, you're sure to enjoy both functionality and sophistication, illustrating the DreamLine difference in your own bathroom in real time.

Inspired by the charm of turn-of-the-century homes, an KOHLER® Artifacts bathroom sink is like a vintage treasure rediscovered and enhanced by the comforts of modern design. The rectangular bathroom sink mounts from underneath the vanity top, resulting in a more contemporary clean and uncluttered look. Pair this Artifacts bathroom sink with other products in the Artifacts collection and create the bathroom space of your dreams.

These are my favorite under mount sinks. The extra detailing is beautiful.. Brett. Bonita Springs, FL. Sat Dec 07 2024

Elegant in its design and sublime in its execution. Like a favorite gallery sculpture that captivates. Its ample rectangular shape and semi-circular sloped bowl generously display its hammered copper texture.

This sink does not come with any mounting hardware. My plumber is having to try to figure out what to use to mount. For this price, mounting braces should be included.. Robin. Youngsville, LA. Thu Aug 06 2020

Minispread, Polished Brass

For unparalleled comfort and a sense of refinement, try the Valencia 31 Inch Console Bathroom Sink. This elegant piece offers solid brass legs, providing both stability and visual interest, a victory of both form and function. With 4-inch, 8-inch, and faucet centers, the Valencia is just waiting to be customized with your faucet of choice. Choose from a variety of finish options to match your own unique style, and rest assured that the Valencia's overflow hole will prevent spillovers and lessen common bathroom messes. With the DreamLine Valencia, you no longer have to sacrifice luxury for affordability...this console sink can immediately upgrade your space without straining your budget.

Glossy Gray

Badeloft's UB-04-L undermount ramp sink sits flush beneath your countertop for a clean look. The ramp basin slopes gently toward the drain, so water flows out completely without pooling. Stone resin is non-porous, meaning it won't stain or absorb moisture over time. Includes mounting hardware for undermount installation. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

They are amazing!!!. Jorge. San Juan, TX. Thu Dec 15 2022

The Kaali under-mount sink is named for a perfectly oval lake at the bottom of a meteorite crater created 3500 years ago. Deep and substantial, the Kaali is an uncluttered and rimless basin with a purity of form. Its oval silhouette takes a minimalist stance that makes it appropriate across styles and decors. Hand-polished to an ultra-smooth finish for a tactile feel and a clean look, Kaali’s natural, organic shape makes it truly timeless.

Laura. Galveston, TX. Sat May 14 2022

Polished Nickel

For more than two decades, Signature Hardware has provided beautifully crafted products that make a house your home. From the kitchen to the bathroom - and every room in between - your signature style starts here. At Signature Hardware, we do things the right way. When you find a product that compliments your style, we’ll make every step of the process as seamless and worry-free as possible. We stand by our quality, value customer service, and ensure your satisfaction. That’s our promise to you.

[This review was collected as part of a promotion.] Sleek and stylish - Great quality. Hs. Thu Dec 11 2025

White

KOHLER® Ladena's upswept curves offer a generous 21" rectangular undermount sink and a striking contemporary look, particularly when paired with a countertop that exposes the basin's glazed underside.

We purchased two of the sinks for an Undermount installation in a solid surface countertop. They were easy to install finish is good and we are looking forward to many years of usage. . Ricky. US. Sat Aug 16 2025

Polished Chrome

The meticulously crafted designs and flawless finishes of the Symmons Braston collection mirror the quality and precision within. The Braston widespread bathroom faucet is designed for a 3 hole installation with 8 to 16 inch centers, allowing for versatile setup options. Featuring a quick installation process with threadless valve to spout connections, this faucet includes a metal push pop drain assembly and ceramic disc cartridges to prevent drips. Constructed from brass, zinc, stainless steel, and plastic, it ensures long lasting durability. The faucet promotes water conservation with a low flow rate of 1.0 GPM (3.8 L/min). It is ADA compliant and meets NSF/ANSI/CAN 61: Q less than 1 standards.

Very nicely built. One caveat, I've not installed these and will be curious to see how the flow is. Each of the two valves has a 1/4" plastic tube for the outlet. Both are teed together and feed a 1/4" plastic tube to the faucet.. Dale. Port Townsend, WA. Mon May 04 2026

Key West Porcelain Pedestal Sink

Looked at a ton of sinks. Just what we needed for guest bath!. Amy. Kansas City, MO. Tue Apr 07 2026

Inspired by the moment at which two water droplets converge, the KOHLER® Landshapes vessel sink offers a sense of wonder as it pushes the limits of form. The soft, voluminous shape features a dynamic motion, reflecting much of the visual language behind Daniel Arsham’s first KOHLER® sink, Rock.01. Smooth to the touch with a distinctive, whimsical design, this oval vessel bathroom sink isn't just beautiful —its durable construction also offers long-lasting function and reliability.

Fast shipping. Packed super securely. So fun and unique looking. Feels sturdy. The piece that goes in the center of the sink isn’t a drain that fits into a hole it’s just an independent piece that rests in the sink. This I found odd and while I love the look of it worry that it not being attached for secured anywhere will risk it breaking or getting lost (as this will be in a main floor bathroom with 4 children). Will complete review further once installed. Kristen. Fresno, CA. Fri Oct 03 2025

White

Arrived quickly, packaged beautifully and installed with ease! The hardware was floating inside the box though so I was terrified it shattered during delivery. Safe and sound though, would recommend!. Lauren. TX. Sun Apr 12 2026

Add beauty to your bathroom with this ws bath collections ceramic I decorative bathroom sink trap. It has a brass construction, which ensures strength and durability. It has a polished chrome finish, which is visually appealing. With a stylish design, this trap fits in the exposed area under the bathroom sink to provide an attractive alternative to traditional pipe options. This decorative trap is suitable for use in most kitchen and bathroom sinks. It clears the worst clogs and prevents foul gases from coming out of them. It collects hair, sand, and other debris and limits the size of objects passing into the rest of the plumbing. This ceramic decorative bathroom sink trap by ws bath collections is a great combination of form and function.

Visually pleasing P-trap to match the chrome faucet set. Barbara. Lebanon, NH. Thu Jan 15 2026

Translucent Sapphire

With reflective facets of cut glass, KOHLER® Kallos shines like a jewel in the bath or powder room. Part of the Artist Editions line of bath sinks, the spun-glass under-mount basin offers a distinctive architectural pattern reminiscent of fine crystal. This round undermount bathroom sink basin's design creates stunning visual depth while appropriately concealing the view of toiletries stored inside the vanity.

These sinks are truly beautiful and exactly what we were looking for as we have another set installed in a different location.. Dwight. Manakin-sabot, VA. Tue May 05 2026

Polished Chrome

Constructed of durable solid brass, the Memoirs® Stately Console Table Legs for K-29999 Memoirs® Stately Sink are a sophisticated addition to your bathroom design. Pair them with a coordinating Memoirs® Stately sink for an attractive and practical bathroom solution complete with a useful towel bar.

These will be beautiful with my sink! So elegant and perfect for my 1956 bathroom remodel!. Anonymous. US. Fri Feb 21 2025

Rubbed Bronze

Designed for use with the Avalon and Santorini soaker tubs – its pivoting head ensures a snug fit. The exposed elements are finished with high-quality plating, perfectly coordinating with the finishes.

Works perfectly with the Native Trails tub!. Shawna. Torrance, CA. Fri Aug 22 2025

The Empress Bouquet design offers a modern interpretation of 18th-century Chinese print work. The exquisite floral motif with gold and platinum detailing embellishes this KOHLER® Kathryn square undermount bathroom sink. Each basin showcases a slightly different variation of the pattern, creating a one-of-a-kind focal point for your bath or powder room.

This sink goes well with white quartz, and marble countertops. All the add ons that come with it are a huge bonus!!. Penny. Houston. Tue Jul 15 2025

The Kaldera undermount sink’s simplicity is in its shape: a classic rectangle in a minimalist form. Designed to complement the Kaldera built-in bath, the Kaldera undermount sink is also beautiful on its own. Its clean look adds to its versatility, as it can bridge traditional to modern styles of décor with aplomb. Hand-polished to a lavish finish, and made with durable, beautiful Volcanic Limestone™, the Kaldera’s streamlined symmetry brings timeless elegance to any bathroom.

The sink looked nice aesthetically, but we’ll be returning it because it ended up being too large for our space and needs. It also felt much more lightweight than we expected, which made it seem less substantial in person.. Norma. Scottsdale, AZ. Mon May 11 2026

White

Inspired by a 1929 KOHLER® exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the KOHLER® Kathryn collection captures the unforgettable style of a bygone era. With its modern interpretation of retro styling, this spacious rectangular undermount bathroom sink makes a striking addition to the bathroom.

This sink is well-made and it’s a focal point of our bathroom remodel. We get compliments on the sink every time I guest uses our main bathroom. I would recommend to anyone who wants a high-end bathroom sink.. Kelly. Carnation, WA. Sun May 03 2026

4" Centers, White, 34.75" H x 20.5" W x 24.5" L

The KOHLER® Memoirs collection with Stately design draws its inspiration from traditional furniture and architectural elements. The crisp, clean lines of this rectangular pedestal bathroom sink evoke the splendor of fine antiques.

Purchased for our 12 bath. Really adds that touch of elegance. I have this full line of Memoirs sinkstoilets in my three bathrooms. From this pedestal to under mount. They are all beautiful.. S. Phoenix, AZ. Fri Jan 30 2026

White

With its unique, oblong shape and clean lines, KOHLER® Ladena evokes casual elegance. This spacious and distinctive rectangular undermount bathroom sink pairs classic style with versatility, and is a great choice to complement both traditional and modern bathrooms.

Great Kohler sink! Deep enough to drain properly. Bought 3 for my remodel.. Kelly. Tue May 19 2026

Matte White

The Badeloft UB-05-XL is a 39.4-inch bathroom undermount ramp sink built from stone resin. The ramp basin slopes gently toward the drain, so water flows out completely without pooling. Stone resin is non-porous, meaning it won't stain or absorb moisture over time. Includes mounting hardware for undermount installation. Backed by a 10-year residential warranty.

Nice sink. You need to make sure your cabinet will accommodate it, but my client was very happy with it.. Jorge. Columbus, GA. Fri Nov 08 2024

Polished Chrome

Complete your bathroom faucet installation with this KOHLER® clicker drain. This drain features a brass tailpiece and a 1-1/4" connection. With overflow.

Perfect match and came quick!. Alyvia. Tulsa, OK. Tue May 12 2026

Pearl

This rectangular shape and semi-circular sloped bowl blend a sleek modern design with the silky texture of cool concrete. The concrete undermount bathroom sink is crafted using NativeStone: an innovative blend of cement and natural jute fiber, resilient enough for heavy-duty tasks with a refreshingly easy cleanup.

Very attractive in my bathroom remodel.. Cheryl. FL. Wed Feb 04 2026

Aged Brass

The Greyfield widespread bathroom faucet incorporates traditional elements into its modern design. Enjoy the benefit of solid brass construction and a corrosion-resistant finish, which ensure that this product retains its beauty after years of use. Included is a matching pop-up drain to complete the look.

I love the Greyfield line. Substantial looking. Just wish the hooks and accessory items weren't so expensive that coordinate with the faucet/shower fixtures.. Kathy. Durham, NC. Thu Mar 19 2026

Timeless, unforgettable, a true masterpiece: when we say "Classic," we mean this is the classic copper sink. Prepossessing and versatile, this copper bathroom sink's design and artisan-executed simplicity have earned it its name. The hammered copper's texture is beautifully displayed by its contours. Classic is an expertly crafted copper bathroom sink forged of high-quality recycled copper. You can trust that your heirloom sink will last for generations.

Beautiful with the Sayoran light fixture!. Carrie. Carlsbad, NM. Thu Aug 27 2020